Secrets of the Sonic Titan ( Tips and Tricks here) Seeing how there is quite a few ST players now a days, I think it's time we all put together a list of user tips and tricks. The Titan is one of those pedals that can be mysterious and difficult to truly figure it's functionality. It has so many tonal options, that to really hear what's going on... one needs time and perspective.
With this thread, I hope to share what I've learned about the pedal, and also learn some more trick for myself too!
So thanks to all of you who helped me thus far, and here's what I think is useful to know about the Titan. (keep in mind, my ST is an old colored box one and does not have the internal pot trim.)
1. Tone (bias) knob and output knob work conversely. Meaning... that the more highs you have backed off and turned counter-clockwise, the less amplitude output your ST puts out. This is very useful thing to know, as the Titan produces some super cool sounds with the volume level turned up more. So settling for a warmer tone can give you more flexibility with your output level.
2. Output Level creates it's own inherent "power tube"-esque harmonic distortion once the level is set to 1:00 or more. Very cool for adding a nice sheen to the over-all distortion quality. Also feels more "open" somehow and more dynamic. If you're feeling like your ST is sounding "choked" a bit.... turn up the level and your signal will soar through. Then if it's too loud adjust your picking style to lower your over-all output.
This is also important for goosing the ST with other peds. Once the Level is cooking on the ST, then fuzzes and boosters all come to life in a very cool way when running into the ST's input.
3. Gain control interaction-
Often I see ST's on boards with the level and the gain dimed. This produces a super fat tone, that is obviously top choice for Doom bands. But another cool sound of the ST is to use it as a dirty boost. Which is what I prefer because of the ST's tremendous dynamic responsiveness. I also tend to like to kick in other pedals before the titan, so using it this way allows more tonal options in my set-up as well.
I have found that the key to doing this best is in the setting of the tone (bias) knob accurately. Without doing so, tones can become a tad shrill with unnecessary noise, or too muddy while being on the verge of unwanted feedback. Don't get me wrong, I grew up on feedback, but the ST has a tendency to want to sing more than other dist. boxes.... especially with hollow-body guitars. So it's a fine line to walk here.
Therefore, to set the tone (bias) knob correctly, what works for me is this:
First, get you best clean tone dialed into your amp. Then turn on your ST with the gain 3/4's to all the way down. Play you hardest picking attack across your strings switching between your clean and ST driven signals.
Set the output level of the titan so that it matches roughly the loudess playing of your clean tone.
Then dial in the tone knob so that it best matches the tone of your guitar when you're dynamicly playing. (In my set-up it usually is somewhere just past noon.)
Then slowly bring up the gain to taste. The gain will definitely add chubbiness, but you'll find that when you did in to your strings, there will still be string clarity. Typically, I slowly raise the gain up until I hear the mids in the gain match the mids in my guitar tone... (800 to 1k)
Looking forward to hearing more tips!
starlingbrothers- 07-22-2008
No big secrets for me - just wack everything on full and then reduce according to taste, if necessary :twisted:
duende- 07-23-2008
No big secrets for me - just wack everything on full and then reduce according to taste, if necessary :twisted:
Ha ha!! I tried that, but the ST still ended up being twice as loud as my clean tone.
Took a bit of struggling to get the pedal to a relative volume level with my set-up.
Jim Goad- 07-23-2008
I also have an old one without trim pots.
1: Titan as a booster
A really cool 'dirty boost' effect can be obtained by having the level somewhere between halfway - full & Gain all the way off.
2: Tone
I find the tone control needs to be set differently depending on your guitar / amp setup to find the sweet spot. In fact, I'd suggest setting the tone before touching the other 2 knobs because as duende mentioned, it will effect the output level. I love the way that when the tone is totally rolled off it sounds far too muddy & when it's all the way up it's far to harsh. It means that the sweet spot is in there somewhere. I get annoyed by some pedals / Guitars / amps when I can't quite get the sound I want because the controls don't have enough range.
3: Saturated distortion
For a fully saturated tone, your amp will need to be distorting a bit or at least be right on the edge of break up. Also, with the amp set this way, there will be less of a volume difference when the Titan is on / off.
4: Pedal combos
Putting a Fuzz, Boost, Overdrive (or virtually anything) before the Titan works really well. Sonic Titans are like little pre-amps. Running my Big Muff re-issue into the Titan makes it sound like a Big Muff should.
duende- 07-23-2008
Jim... great tips. Glad to know both our Titan's are functioning similarly evev though are set-ups are different, and not just me tripping out. :D
Luke- 07-23-2008
Very good tips fellas. I have a Titan on the way and I will definately try some of those things out.
I plan on running it into a Fender Showman which is a very clean sounding amp even at high volumes. However I play with a PRS with the "hot, fat, screams" neck humbucker. This gets the amp to slightly break-up. Any suggestions on what settings would make this sound good? If I want a more saturated tone, would you guys recommend turning up the amp volume with titan level down some or titan on full with the amp not so loud?
Jim Goad- 07-24-2008
Should sound awesome with a "hot, fat, screams" bucker. Sonic Titans don't kill your bass response like some pedals do. I find it best to have the amp cranked quite high but you'll need to experiment a bit. The Titan can sound quite different from one setup to another. For example: on my Peavey amp, the Titan's tone knob effects the amount of gain a lot whereas on my Miles Platting the amount of gain is pretty much the same however I set the tone. Or if you want to keep the amp on a super clean setting, putting a booster like a Marshall Bluesbreaker in front of the Titan is effective. I sometimes do that & put a Wah pedal between BB & Titan for some really extreme Crybaby action.
duende- 07-24-2008
The Titan can sound quite different from one setup to another. For example: on my Peavey amp, the Titan's tone knob effects the amount of gain a lot whereas on my Miles Platting the amount of gain is pretty much the same however I set the tone.
Exactly! That's what makes it sooo "mysterious". And why sharing tips is so important. Good to have some insights as to what might be thrown at you.
Fwiw.... I love my ST with humbuckers. I use a Gretch with filtertrons, and it really let's there expressiveness come through. One of the first distortions that I can use my darker pick-up tone selections with.
Same with my Jazzmaster, it absolutely kills when in the rhythm pup mode. But also is hot and twangy when I switch to the bridge single coil.
The Captain- 07-25-2008
Great thread idea duende!!! :D Really enjoyed reading this. Not much to add really....I tend to run mine on full with the tone backed of a little tiny bit. Mainly as use it with the same amp & guitar so no need to mess. I will say though if you use batteries the Titan does like the Zinc Carbon type just like a GE Fuzz. Seems the JFET likes that extra touch of volts.
Sickle- 07-25-2008
I can't find fucking Zinc Carbon batteries *anywhere* in my town. Where do you guys get yours at?!
Cado- 07-25-2008
99 cent stores. Usually in a 2 pack. If the battery is non-alkaline, then it's the zinc-carbon type.
duende- 07-26-2008
Sickle,
walgreens..... I hate corporate america, but they got 'em cheap.
Dave,
I figured the titan might be a pedal that falls under the radar for some or at times misunderstood. It certainly
took me awhile to realize what was working and what wasn't in my set-up... but now that I got it dialed, I'm able to remove some other gain stage pedals from my board which makes me VERY happy.
I'm using it as my main OD with your RR to goose it for leads. Then when I want endless sustain type tones, I kick in my MKII.
With the RR on into my Titan, and with my guitar's volume pot rolled down... I can hit my wah, and get some very very slick wah tones!
Only other gainer on my board is my beloved Foxx Tone Machine.... otherwise it's all DAM!
Jim Goad- 07-29-2008
I did some -*test*-('")s with different batteries over the weekend & the Zinc beasties definitely give a bit more clout. It's only a very slight difference but it is noticeable that there's more edge to the tone. Alkalines will probably give more battery life but the 'Tesco Value Zinc Chloride' are about half the price & sounded the best.
It's funny, I always use Zinc batteries in my DOD Flanger because it gives a deeper, richer sound but I didn't think to try them in other pedals. I'm going to experiment with all of them now.
duende- 07-29-2008
yeah... i use them in all my peds that require batteries. Fuzzes, wah, and gainers. My bandmate who was skeptical about the differences in tone, now uses them even to power his analog delay (dm-2)
Luke- 07-29-2008
Just got my titan and tried it out on my showman and also an orange ad30. It sounds very cool in both (in completely different ways). My favorite setting right now is the same as mentioned above, almost full blast all knobs. Wish I had a way to put up sound clips...
Thanks for the sweeeeeeet pedal Dave!
Also anyone know what the clip on the sonic titan page involves?
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